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From September 2007 to May 2009, The CW served as the home for 31 episodes of one of the most un-CW-like series ever to grace the network's schedule.
Reaper starred Bret Harrison equally Sam Oliver, a beau who, on his 21st birthday, discovers in rapid succession that A) his parents sold his soul to the Devil, played to perfection by Ray Wise, and B) as a upshot of that sale, he is now forced to serve as Satan's bounty hunter, collecting the souls that accept escaped from Hell. If he doesn't, and so his parents' souls get forfeit…or at least that'due south the story that the King of Lies is spinning, anyway. Rather than take whatsoever chances, Sam sets off to perform his duties, aided by his two slack-tastic pals, Sock (Tyler Labine) and Ben (Rick Gonzalez), using a diverseness of "vessels" to capture these souls and so depositing them into the easily of Gladys (Christine Willes), a demonic employee at — where else? — the local DMV. When not doing the Devil's bidding, Sam's as well trying to woo the girl of his dreams, Andi (Missy Peregrym), who works with him, Sock, and Ben at the Work Demote.
Although Reaper lasted only two curt seasons, its fanbase has remained dedicated ever since its demise, inspiring FEARnet to reunite the (majority of the) cast and creators for some roundtable reminiscences almost the series in advance of the premiere of the same 31 episodes on the network's schedule. The reunion special airs this night, with Reaper'south FEARnet debut taking place on Tuesday, June four, at 9 p.chiliad. ET/6 p.thousand. PT, as office of the network's Twisted One-act block, which also features the FEARnet original half-hour comedy series Holliston.
Several members of the cast made themselves available for interviews in conjunction with the reunion, along with the show'south creators, Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas. Naturally, Popdose, which rarely refuses an opportunity to support the underdog just specially wouldn't miss a chance to assist promote a evidence as crawly as Reaper, chatted with anybody nosotros possibly could.
RICK GONZALES
Popdose: And so how psyched are y'all that Reaper is being given a take a chance to be revisited by FEARnet viewers?
Rick Gonzalez: I'm excited, man! I'm excited, and I definitely hope nosotros catch a new audience. I remember that's what we've e'er wanted. I think that nosotros were a part of a network that…well, y'know, no hard feelings toward the network, but nosotros always wanted a fair shot and the ability to go our show out to the people, because we felt like it was something unique when it was on the air. It only makes sense for FEARnet to grab it and to expose information technology even farther. And fifty-fifty with only two seasons of information technology, I remember people will even so get a great time out of it. So I'm very excited. Things are working out well there.
How was the experience of doing the reunion special? I presume you've kept in bear upon at least to a certain extent, just…
Aye, it was a mixture of the starting time twenty-four hour period of school and a high school reunion. It almost felt like nosotros were gonna shoot something that day, like nosotros were prepping to shoot something for the show, simply then all we did was hang out. But it was cool. It was a good time.
Has there actually been whatsoever talk of doing more Reaper? Or if in that location were to be whatsoever talk, would you exist up for it?
Admittedly. If there was an opportunity to practice more than Reaper, I would totally leap at the opportunity to do that.
All right, permit'south leap back to the beginning: how did you first notice your way into the cast of the series?
Well, y'know, it was just a simple audition. I auditioned for Ben, and…what was unusual at the time was that I auditioned one fourth dimension and was offered the part. So nosotros shot the airplane pilot with Kevin Smith, and…I think when you picket the reunion, the girls—Tara and Michele—they'll get into more depth on my character and what it was similar casting me, and their ideas on creating Ben.
So when you first read for the part, they really didn't know what they wanted Ben to be?
No, they were very much still working it out. In the beginning, they were yet, like, trying to figure out how Ben fit in with Sock and Sam and what felt right. And for me, I felt similar it was natural for me to…like, in seeing Sock be and so vigilant, and so vigorous in doing what he wants, information technology but made more sense to me for Ben to be, like, this very sensitive and super sweet guy who wants to help but, at the same time, doesn't want to exist hurt by whatever of this. And that's exactly what happened. He gets stuck in a wall, he loses his eyebrows…everything bad happens to him. But he does it for love considering he cares about his friends and he wants to be there for them and assistance them. And I felt like that was of import. I wanted to evidence that. They intendance near me, I intendance about them, and I wanted people to connect to that. So I recall we just naturally moved into that place, and it really helped, considering fifty-fifty in Season Two yous encounter an extension of that, in him wanting dearest, showing love, and actually finding honey with Nina, a demon, and having that whole thing with her. So I think that'south the evolution of Ben, and I was just fortunate enough to go the opportunity to audition for the character and simply become information technology. It was a blessing.
In the serial, y'all, Tyler, and Bret appeared to accept instant chemistry. When did y'all three starting time get the chance to bounce off each other? Was information technology during the audience process, or was it a table read?
It was a read, and, yeah, information technology was instantaneous. I mean, we pretty much got the gist of what this dynamic needed to exist. Just I tip my hat to Tyler, because I experience like Tyler was very much the catalyst in all of this. Bret's grapheme definitely…y'know, he'due south the guy who has to handle having this brunt on him, and so you know he needs to follow this path. Information technology's tough, and he may have to attempt and resist information technology, merely you come across the path where he'due south headed. With Sock, information technology's the same, but for him, it'due south, similar, "This is freaking amazing! Let'southward go on this ride!" And he'southward nearly pushing him towards it, like, "We'll practice it together!" And that kind of prepare the tone for me to exist, like, "Okay, guys, if we're gonna practise this, then I'm in, too. Whatever you demand." Then I tip my lid to Ty, because what he did kind of created everything and just made it become.
How was the experience of working with Kevin Smith on the pilot?
He was keen. I salute the girls in choosing him, because he only totally understood the rhetoric and the tone of what we needed for the pilot. And he was actually even sympathetic in trying to figure out where Ben fit in also. That'southward something that some people not get: each and every character has to take their place in the world, how they mesh well with the other characters and how the chemical science is. He was very sensitive to that, seeing how Ben fits in, and he was very helpful in wanting to add together to that. He was just a totally cool guy. All his choices were brave and just set off the pilot really, actually well.
In regards to Flavor One, what were your thoughts about Ben'due south greenish-card marriage to Sarah?
Oh, I thought it was funny. I was cool with it. I didn't even think twice about it, really. [Laughs.]
Then y'all thought it was something Ben would've done? Presuming you were comfortable in knowing who Ben was by that point.
Yeah, I think he would've. I remember Ben…y'know, he'd maybe be the kind of guy who, because he's then trustworthy and because he cares so much, might be taken advantage of a bit more than some other people. So you tin see why he'd exist friends with Sock and Sam. I idea that they protected him, they all protect each other, and they're friends who all care about each other. And then you can see how Ben might get taken advantage of sometimes when he'southward not effectually them.
You mentioned the Nina relationship a moment ago. Did you think it worked well for the character?
I thought it worked great! I mean, honestly, in terms of my career, it'southward one of the funniest-written storylines I've been able to piece of work on. Certainly it was rare at that betoken in my career, but I don't usually get romance subplots or things of that nature. I'm usually playing some guy who'southward trying to rob an old lady or distributing a whole kilo of coke to an entire declension. [Laughs.] But information technology was fun. It was bully. What I idea was corking near the girls writing that was that yous were finally getting a chance to see who Ben was. Do you know what I mean? I can appreciate the girls doing that, considering you besides get to go into Ben's world and see how he feels about things. And and so there'due south the whole demon aspect and how that fits into the mythology.
Certainly Ben got the better end of the romance stick than Sock did. I know Ty's feelings on the stepsister subplot.
Yeah, but, look, Ty got to brand out with Gladys. Then he did better than anyone in the romance department. [Laughs.]
Another of Ty's complaints, ane which I'grand certain you share, is that he never really got to share a scene with Ray Wise.
Oh, yes, nosotros definitely share that sentiment! We were, like, "Damn, we but want one scene! Nosotros just want to meet the Devil! We want to work with the dandy Ray Wise!" It just sucked. Sucked sucked sucked. "Merely ane scene!" [Laughs.] I know information technology would've happened, as well. If we'd had a Flavor Three, it would've happened. And information technology would've been a glorious scene, too. Glorious and funny. I just know information technology.
Do you have a favorite guest star from the show'due south run?
I have a agglomeration. I recollect ane of my favorite was Lupe Ontiveros, who played my grandmother. And who has passed away, really. She was a astounding actress, and I cherish the time I worked with her, because she was such a pioneer in her field. Just working with her…y'know, with her having been a Latina extra for then many years, I've admired her piece of work, and then I'm honored that they chose her to play my grandmother. And Armie Hammer was really nice, and I'g and then happy for him and all the success he'due south found. And, really, it was a great fourth dimension working with Lucy Davis. She'southward a British actress who was in the original Office, and we had an amazing episode together, which was fun. She was pretty great. Patton Oswalt, he was hilarious in Season One. That was neat.
And practise yous have a favorite vessel?
Oh, man… At that place are so many vessels, and so many interesting ones. But, y'know, to me, I still recollect the coolest is the vacuum. It's just and then iconic. It'due south but so perfect. And it'south ane of those things where I could run into it as a kooky action effigy for kids. [Laughs.] Y'know, if the evidence had gone well, it would've been, like, "Mommy, purchase me the vac!"
When you got the word that the testify wasn't coming back for a 3rd season, I'k certain it was more than a niggling bit depressing.
Yeah, but, y'know, nosotros were anticipating it. We were hearing the rumblings. And, y'know, we understood. Like I said, with no disrespect to the network, cause I sympathize how this works. Nosotros understood their apprehensiveness with us, and from their perspective, they had their reasons. Simply information technology bummed us out. Nosotros always felt their unwillingness to assist us out. Only it's a business, and yous accept to accept what comes. And we made the all-time of it.
Do yous experience that the prove's maintained its fanbase since going off the air? Practise you continue to hear from fans?
I do. I mean, it's because of the fans that this is even happening. Information technology's because of the ReaperDMV site and the KSite guys and yourself. Information technology's those people reaching out to me, Ty, and Bret. I get Tweets all the fourth dimension from people saying, "Y'know, once a week we picket it again, we do communal TV watching and talk nearly the episodes," and stuff like that. Information technology'southward incredible. And information technology lets me know that this show… We were really onto something. And you know what? If information technology was meant to but live two seasons, then that's fine, too. But it was a task where I felt like, if we could've had only a fiddling more support, nosotros could've done then much more.
RAY WISE
Popdose: Information technology must seem like dÁ©jÁ vu to be doing press for Reaper again.
Ray Wise: [Laughs.] Yeah, it does. Simply it's corking. I recollect information technology's a wonderful thing. Like I've said earlier, the Devil is one of the favorite characters I've ever played, and I was so distressing to have information technology cease. The fact that FEARnet is bringing it dorsum is thrilling to me.
How did y'all first discover your way into the mix for the show? Did someone ship you a script, or did you hear nigh it through channels?
Yeah, my agent and my manager, they sent me a script for "Reaper," the pilot, and I'm told that I came in at the end of the casting process. They'd already gone through about a hundred actors and they hadn't quite institute what they wanted to play the Devil. And I read the script and I really liked it, and I came in and did a piffling scene for them, and…I guess I fit the bill! I made them laugh, anyhow, I know that much. [Laughs.] I did that scene in the pilot where I'chiliad cooking craven-fried steak in the kitchen, and they liked that one, then they had me come back several days subsequently to do the aforementioned scene for the network people, and…that was it! I became the Devil.
How did you lot approach the character when you lot kickoff got the script? Did yous draw from whatsoever other previous interpretations of the Devil?
Oh, yes. I saw all the previous Devils. [Laughs.] I went on a binge for a couple of weeks, finding every picture show, every television Devil, everything from Ray Walston in Damn Yankees to Walter Huston in The Devil and Daniel Webster, to Jack Nicholson, even, in The Witches of Eastwick. Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate, Peter in Constantine, even Gabe Byrne in End of Days. All unlike Devils, all Devils that had their proficient points and their bad points. And I wanted mine to be a footling different than all of those, and I thought the best style to do that…and, of grade, the creators of Reaper felt the same way, because they wrote the script that manner… [Laughs.] …is to inject a lot of sense of humour into it, and to make the Devil more like your charming neighbour next door: a guy you can accept a barbeque with and beverage a beer with and just savor his company. That'south the way I approached it. Oh, and who dresses very sharply, of course!
It'southward funny that, in the reunion special, yous're actually wearing i of your original ties from the series.
I am! I have several of those, all the aforementioned shade of bluish, just with little different patterns. I love those ties. You know what I've noticed? Since Reaper was on the air in 2007 and 2008, I've seen a lot of members of Congress wearing those light blue ties and dark suits…
Drawing mode sense from the Devil? Can't exist a coincidence.
Tin't exist! [Laughs.]
BRET HARRISON, RAY WISE
How did yous relish working with Bret Harrison on the show? He was, for the nigh part, the only cast member you lot tended to interact with.
Yep, he was the guy that I certainly had the most scenes with. We had a…well, it was really like a father-and-son kind of a deal. Nosotros had a great rapport with each other and liked each other, and information technology was just kind of an easy experience to do scenes with him. It was mentor-like, a older actor / young role player thing, instructor/student or what take you. But, of course, Bret taught me a lot, too. Virtually the younger generation. I'chiliad getting upwards there, and I don't e'er know what's hip and what isn't, and he and Tyler and Rick kept me on my toes.
I'm sure both Tyler and Rick have told yous many times that one of their greatest regrets well-nigh the series is that they never actually got to work with you.
I know! And I think, had we gone on, that that may have happened. It's merely a shame that it ended when it did, because I know that our creators had a myriad of story ideas in heed, and it was only wide open as to where the story could have us.
I particularly enjoyed the second season, where the series started to explore the mythos of Hell a bit more.
Exactly! And I wanted to get more than into that, y'know? In fact, I wanted to even maybe go downward in that location! Wouldn't that accept been something? And I know that…well, do you lot recall that episode where Bret has the spectacles that can show him what a person really looks like? And I tell him not to expect at me with those glasses because "it'll be also much for your eyes." [Laughs.] That's what I was hoping we'd get a little more into in the show in the coming seasons. And exploring that whole mythology of Hell and Dante's version of it, and maybe a bit virtually the relationship between God and the Devil…all that proficient stuff.
They did manage to slip a petty scrap in nigh the God & Devil relationship, most notably the water ice cream expletive, where he's forever unable to eat water ice cream without it melting away instantly.
Oh, yeah, I loved that ice foam scene. That was very emotional for me, that scene, when I talk about my relationship with the Lord. Information technology'due south one of my favorite scenes in the evidence.
I don't know if you're a religious man, just what was information technology like playing the personification of evil?
[Laughs.] I know! Just don't forget, I had a little scrap of training on a bear witness chosen Twin Peaks! Only then I went all the way. I graduated from Leland Palmer to the Devil. I estimate it's a logical progression, huh? Yeah, to play the main bad guy of all time… If you remember nearly it likewise much, information technology becomes about overwhelming, so I didn't remember about it in those terms. I didn't take that great responsibility on my shoulders. I just wanted to have a good time. I wanted to have a good time playing him, and the style it was written, I did. The relationships I had with the other people on the show enforced that, and I call back that…well, I only felt that the Devil was a graphic symbol that has been so maligned in the past and portrayed in such a negative way that I wanted to spruce him up a footling bit and requite people some positive vibes, y'know?
It's interesting how, literally from the airplane pilot onward, y'all see that ane of the Devil's primary tendencies is to turn on a dime.
Exactly, yes. And I have the facility for doing that. I'm able to do that, and I can go from being very happy-get-lucky and charming, and so the next second be just terrifying. And I think that that's all function of the Devil persona. I think you need that to sort of reinforce everybody'south idea of what the main evil guy is, and if yous don't do a petty of that, I think they're disappointed.
RAY WISE
Practice you take a favorite episode or, failing that, a favorite plot arc from the series?
Oh, gosh. Hmmm. Favorite plot arc. [Long pause.] I liked the whole idea of Sam being my son. Then, of course, when Armie Hammer came in. My other son. Remember Armie? He'southward ane of the biggest stars in the earth now. Now how does that happen? I think maybe I helped him out a fiddling scrap, huh?
Yous've got his signature on file somewhere, don't y'all?
[Laughs.] Could be! But he's a corking guy. Now he's the Alone Ranger, but we had a swell time, and he's certainly a handsome human being, and then I had no qualms virtually having him play my son. The whole Devil'due south-offspring matter appealed to me, and I'm sure we would've gotten into that even more thoroughly in the coming episodes and coming seasons if given the opportunity. See, I had the feeling that the Devil could be in so many places all at once, and that perhaps there could be a convention quondam of Reapers. A Reaper convention. Wouldn't that be thrilling? And, of course, I'd be the main speaker.
I can come across you delivering a prissy opening address.
I recollect so. And an intimidating closing one, besides. [Laughs.]
Okay, so I've heard through the grapevine that y'all attended Coachella this yr. How did that come up to pass? Are you a diehard music fan?
Well, I ever have been, aye. When I did a soap opera in New York, I had a friend who was a friend of the manager of Led Zeppelin, so I went to a few Led Zeppelin parties, y'know? And, hey, yous can't shell that! [Laughs.] Before that, in 1969, I was out in Frisco and went to the Fillmore West and went to see Creedence Clearwater Revival, and in that location was a ring opening for them that not many people knew almost at the fourth dimension called Jethro Tull. So I was weaned on that kind of rock music, but I love all kinds of music.
I did this video that came out of the blue. I'd worked with Eric Warheim, of Tim and Eric's Awesome Show, and he called me up and asked me to do this video for a band called Beach House, a item song of theirs chosen "Wishes," and he explained the concept to me and told me that I'd be lip-synching the words of the song. And, of course, it's a adult female singing it. The lead singer of Beach House is Victoria Legrand. I thought, "That's really a strange concept." And I said "aye" because of its very strangeness. [Laughs.] And, of course, because it was Eric. And so I did it, and it came out smashingly, and everybody loved it. Information technology was, like, the number ane video for a couple of weeks there.
And so Beach House played out at Coachella last month, and I went out there to see them, and I met with Victoria and we had a squeamish little time there. Nosotros talked about the video, and how she was a large Twin Peaks fan before, and that she also loved Reaper. And and so we went to the Rolling Stone party, and I met with Bono of U2, and I found out that he was a Twin Peaks fan, too. He's known me since the belatedly 80s. I had no idea. And his daughter, who I believe is around 17 or 18, her favorite grouping is Beach House. So…there I am! I've become relevant for a whole new generation! [Laughs.]
Do yous find that people practice double-takes when they run across you?
Yep. You tin say that again. [Laughs.] And ordinarily it'due south a nice experience. You know, a friendly thing. Some people look at me warily, I suppose. But unremarkably they come correct up to me, even the Leland Palmer fans and the Devil fans, and say, "Man, I really liked you in that, and I'm a fan." It's usually pretty practiced.
Lastly, the obligatory question that has to be asked: if Reaper were to come up back, would y'all be on lath?
Oh, in a second. In less than a second. In a millisecond. I wouldn't hesitate one iota. I'd be right there in my dark suit and my light bluish necktie. [Laughs.]
I mentioned to Michele and Tara that, although Kickstarter would certainly be a way to get, to explore the mythology deeper makes it seem almost more likely as a season on Netflix.
Oh, that'due south a wonderful idea! [Laughs.] I'd go for that in a infinitesimal. I hope that FEARnet…I mean, it's just so wonderful that they've decided to put Reaper back on and to do this reunion, but if they had the gumption to go even further, whether a movie or new episodes or a whole season, that would be even more wonderful. And then, yeah, if someone takes that on, I'll exist at that place in a second.
Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas
Popdose: I'm sure this has been discussed in some special feature or other, but how did the 2 of y'all starting time outset working together?
Tara Butters: Well, Michele and I met as assistants on The X-Files. I was working for Chris Carter's office, and Michele was working as a writer's assistant for Frank Spotnitz. We were lucky plenty to work there, which was a smashing experience, and that's where nosotros kind of decided to try writing together.
What was the origin of Reaper? Was it just a vague idea about somebody who's a bounty hunter for the Devil, or was it more elaborate than that?
Michele Fazekas: Actually, information technology sort of came from…well, information technology was a couple of things. I had been working on sort of an Ten-Files spec script, a religious-themed thing, only Tara had besides said something like, "Yous know, it'd be sort of funny to do a show nearly someone whose parents sold his soul to the Devil." So information technology didn't start out as bounty-hunting. Information technology started out equally only that general idea. But then I had seen the movie Shaun of the Dead, which is such a great movie, and what I loved near it was that it was two idiots who were initially too hung over to realize that the world was existence taken over by zombies. And I said, "I desire to practice something about people similar that!" [Laughs.]
And nosotros were humongous Buffy the Vampire Slayer fans. Nosotros were, like, "Buffy'southward and then amazing, she kicks ass, but I want to practice a show near people who are not good at information technology and will never be good at information technology." And so that sort of croaky information technology. Simply that was always sort of the argument…well, not an argument, but the debate with The CW. They were, like, "But they're gonna go special powers and become adept at this, right?" And we're, like, "No. No, they sure are not." [Laughs.] But we're, like, "That'due south where the comedy comes from!" And yet… They're good at it, merely they're not good at it. There's this weird coming-of-historic period thing, where it'southward, similar, Sam's been bumming and goalless for his entire life, and at present he'southward sort of found something that he'southward accidentally practiced at.
My understanding is that Bret was really the first person cast for the bear witness. Is that right?
TB: Yes. You lot know, we had worked with Bret on a (Law & Order) SVU on which he played a victim, and he was so good in that episode.
MF: Information technology was a completely different role for him.
TB: Yes. So nosotros saw him on the show Grounded for Life, and he played such a kind of dopey, really funny late-teens graphic symbol.
MF: And then he was doing that show near an airline that was on Fob (The Loop), where he was doing comedy, which, again, was so different than what he did on SVU, which was actually dramatic and…I mean, he kind of bankrupt your eye, he was then good in information technology.
TYLER LABINE
Did Tyler turn up on your radar because of his work on Invasion?
TB: I actually really enjoyed him on Invasion. I thought he was great. And since we were at ABC Studios, they really had him in a holding bargain at the time, so…it kind of was kismet, considering nosotros were, like, "We want someone like that guy!" And then that guy happened to be available and at the same studio! [Laughs.]
MF: And it was funny because the grapheme of Sock is based on a friend of ours who ended up being a writer on the testify. He's besides the godfather to my son. He's a really close friend. Only we based Sock somewhat on him considering our friend is someone who tin can say anything, even the most horrible, vulgar things, only considering he's saying it, people think information technology's funny. Information technology'southward like his weird superpower. [Laughs.] He'due south just one of the funniest people we've ever met. And when we met Tyler Labine, we were, like, "Omigod, you're the exact same person!" Then nosotros never did whatever real casting for that role. Nosotros were simply, like, "This is the guy we desire."
I notice you didn't mention your friend's name. Is that considering he doesn't love being reminded that he'due south the inspiration for Sock?
MF: Oh, I recall we've mentioned it before. It's Chris Dingess, who'south now writing for Being Human on SyFy. But he'southward a actually great author, a really funny guy, and…it was funny, crusade he was unavailable when we start started on The CW, merely I think we were able to hire him sort of halfway through. Then information technology was ever, like, "When Dingess and Tyler meet, will the world finish because they're in the same room together?" [Laughs.]
Sock might've been a quick casting situation, merely it sounds equally though finding the right Devil wasn't most every bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
TB: Yes. That is true. I mean, we had the hardest time being able to cast the Devil. Nosotros had seen a lot of amazing actors, and ultimately I think Tom Spezialy had suggested Ray.
MF: Everybody who auditioned…they gave great auditions, but they didn't have that, like, certain twinkle in their heart. It's non fifty-fifty…you tin can't fifty-fifty give a notation about it. Information technology was very hard to define until you saw it. And Ray came in and auditioned, and everybody was, similar, "There it is! That's it!" He only brings that Rat Pack-like vibe, where he's a little cooler than you.
Information technology wasn't mentioned in the reunion special, but I retrieve talking to Anthony Stewart Head at the same TCA printing bout where Reaper was introduced, and he mentioned that he'd actually auditioned for the role of the Devil himself.
TB: Yes, he did.
MF: That was too close, though. Because we were already sort of treading in Buffy territory, where it was sort of scary and comedy together, it was, like, "That would be style also shut." And we were such huge Buffy fans, anyway, that it was, like, "I feel like we can't do that." We've subsequently worked with Joss Whedon on Dollhouse, and he was a great guy. And nosotros were, like, "Thank you for inspiring our evidence!" [Laughs.]
Correct out of the box, Reaper was, if not a massive ratings success, certainly an instant cult hit at the very least. Looking back at the first season, did information technology evolve in a fashion that you were pleased with? Were there whatsoever missteps that you look back on and think, "Perchance we shouldn't have done that"?
TB: You know what? The first season of any show is difficult, because you're trying to find your way. I think at that place was a little bit of struggle with us and the network well-nigh what the show was, and that's why, in probably the first six to eight episodes, information technology'south a little bit more procedural, in the sense that it was a lot more about finding the souls than it was almost these characters and their interesting lives. Right around the time the (writer'south) strike happened… It was right about Episode 13 that nosotros had this suspension, and when we came back, the network ordered five more episodes, and they were kind of, like, "Just do em, we don't care what they are, nosotros just demand five episodes." And it allowed us to really open upwardly kind of a mythology. And so we had our gay demon couple, with Ken Marino and Michael Ian Black, and…if yous find, in those last v episodes of the commencement flavor, nosotros had so much more fun. And yous can see that there are private stories, but at the same time you start to see a building arc, and we continued that into the second season. So I'd say that my favorite episodes of the kickoff flavour are the final v. Fifty-fifty though in that location are moments and stories in the kickoff 13 that I think are fun and I really savor, I actually felt that nosotros hit our stride after nosotros came back from the strike.
I'd concur. That's definitely when the testify started to step outside the box, as information technology were, and delve into more than interesting territory. Only at the same fourth dimension, though, was that as well the kiss of death for the series, making it increasingly more difficult for The CW to market?
MF: No, because you want to know what? They struggled with us from the get-go, considering information technology was the same year that Gossip Daughter came out, and it became very clear very early on that they were going to be the Gossip Girl network. And ratings-wise, if y'all looked at our ratings for the year, we did equally proficient or better overall, because our repeats actually fared higher than Gossip Daughter'south. But the fact of the matter is that we didn't fit their marketing. Though I have to say that the CW marketing squad absolutely loved the show.
TB: They really got the show.
MF: They really did. It'due south only that we weren't where they were spending their money. Only the fact is that the piece of work that they did do was fantastic. The trouble was that we were a show about a bunch of guys who worked for the Devil and worked at a big-box store and were non going to be wearing Prada and Jimmy Choo'southward. You know what I mean? We just didn't fit. And they didn't know what to exercise with the states.
TB: I would also say that nosotros ever felt like we had fans at the network.
MF: Yes. Absolutely.
TB: We pitched this testify all over town. We pitched it to every testify but CBS, because CBS heard the sort of i-liner near it and they were, similar, "Yeah, non for us. Thank you!" [Laughs.] Merely we pitched it at ABC, we pitched it at…
MF: NBC.
TB: NBC. And nosotros pitched it at Pull a fast one on. And Play tricks was somewhat interested, but I recollect ultimately they were sort of already in 24-country, so they'd sort of moved away from the X-Files model already. And The CW were the merely ones who were, like, "Yeah, let's do that!" So for that, we sort of take to always kind be very thankful that they even put u.s.a. on. And the fact that they put us on for a 2d flavor…I mean, I really thought, "Oh, well, nosotros'll get one flavor out of this, and that'll exist it." The fact that we got a 13-episode second flavor was a nice surprise.
MF: And another affair…he wasn't running the network, but Les Moonves was a big fan of the show, and I practice retrieve that's one reason why we got a 2d flavor. Because although he wasn't running information technology, he does have a say in what ends upwards on The CW, and he especially did dorsum then. So, anyway, it's not like we didn't have fans.
Until the reunion special came up, I hadn't revisited the end of the second season since the DVDs originally came out. Having since done so, I'd forgotten just how angry I was at the way it ended. Not at yous two, manifestly, but simply because I knew at that place wasn't going to be a 3rd flavour to go on the dangling plotlines.
TB: [Sadly.] Aye. I mean, we didn't know if we were coming back, and we obviously didn't come up back, merely we wanted to brand everyone want us to come back. So I think that the fact that he not just doesn't win his soul back simply also loses his girlfriend's soul in the process…that was going to be really fun territory to go into in the side by side season. We even talked about putting Andi in the DMV with Gladys and working in that location, which I call up would've been funny.
As far equally the possibility of continuing Reaper, information technology's now get obligatory to cite how Veronica Mars financed their forthcoming movie on Kickstarter. Is that something you lot'd be interested in pursuing?
TB: Well, yous know, I'd love to run across these characters alive on in some way, shape, or form, but because I loved them and so much. But there are just so many pieces that have to come up together to arrive possible.
Because of the depth of the mythology, information technology seems like a third season on Netflix would be the style to become, just because the audition could lookout man it grow and progress over several episodes.
TB: That would be crawly. [Laughs.] Await, we're the easiest people to become onboard…
Can you look back and pick a favorite episode or plot arc that stands as your favorite?
TB: I loved, in the second flavour, the arc between Ben and Nina. That whole story, and the Season Two arc of him dating a demon and her having to get to Hell to help them, it just was wildly romantic and funny. And they were so mannerly and sweet together. I really but loved those scenes. I loved breaking those stories and the episodes. The fashion Craig DiGregorio wrote Ben… Information technology was only so much fun to read someday he wrote those scenes. [Long pause.] Did we lose Michele? We may have. But, aye, that was probably my favorite storyline of the second flavor. I also just loved that we had standing stories. The fact that Sam had a mission for the 2nd season. And I loved Armie Hammer as the son of the Devil. He was such a pleasure to piece of work with. And he'south done pretty good since so.
How did you savor having Patton Oswalt as a guest on the show?
MF: He was fantastic. And it was after Ratatouille, and notwithstanding at the same time we had to really fight to go him cast, considering not everybody…I mean, we knew his comedy, and I think Michele had seen him live several times. Simply The CW was kind of… Once again, information technology was the states having to button them to have a await at him and trust united states that he would be great. And he was just such a pleasure to work with. And I think he had a expert fourth dimension working on the show, too.
TB: Here I am! Sorry, guys, I dropped off.
No worries! Tara, did y'all have a favorite episode or plotline that stood out for yous?
TB: Um, I really loved…well, information technology's probably the same one as Michele's, simply information technology's the ane with Rick and Jenny Wade.
MF: Aye. Same ane. [Laughs.]
TB: What else did I love? Well, I loved everything nosotros did with Ben and Sock. I thought their human relationship was funny and weird yet touching in a style. As well, I loved Armie Hammer as Morgan, the son of the Devil. I thought he was so perfect in that role. It'due south no surprise that he turned into a superstar within about five minutes. Just, you lot know, someone heard him on Opie and Anthony, the radio show, when he was in The Social Network, and they asked, "And so what else have you lot done?" And he said, "Well, I did this little bear witness that you probably haven't seen called Reaper, merely information technology was really fun!" And nosotros were, similar, "Give thanks you, Armie Hammer!" [Laughs.]
Lastly, I know that Tyler has gone on record as having been somewhat less than a fan of Sock'due south romantic subplot with his stepsister…
TB: [Dryly.] Yes, we've heard that.
I'm sure that y'all take. And repeatedly, no doubt. But how did you guys feel about information technology?
TB: I thought it was hilarious. And I retrieve he's wrong. [Laughs.]
MF: Y'all know what? I understand why it made him uncomfortable, but I just recently rewatched the episode where his sister is doing karaoke — it's "I Want My Babe Dorsum" — and, I mean, I laughed out loud every bit he's sitting there watching her and kind of drooling after her and deciding that he's gonna take medication to control his animalism. It was just airheaded and stupid and funny.
TB: I think he may have thought that it made his grapheme look creepy, only what's funny well-nigh the storyline is that there'due south actually nothing incorrect with him wanting to date or have sex activity with a girl who is non related to him and whom he hasn't known all his life. [Laughs.] Simply because Sock was treating it like, "I'm creepy," it sort of fabricated him seem creepy, fifty-fifty though at that place was actually zip creepy about it.
MF: Well, information technology's testing the boundaries. But my favorite office of the grapheme was that he was always testing the boundaries. Also, I think that in the second season and if there'd been a tertiary i, we would've pulled everyone in the storylines with the Devil more. And I think that was one of the things that he was really wanting: to accept his own scene with Ray.
TB: Yep. Andi met the Devil merely, I call up, 2 times, the get-go time non even knowing he was the Devil. Otherwise, all the scenes were with Bret. And they're fantastic scenes. I think the other guys just really wanted their chance with the Devil.
Then that would've happened if there'd been a third flavour?
MF: Oh, yeah.
TB: At least once, anyway. [Laughs.]
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